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Can anyone suggest a San Francisco Aikido Dojo with a strong lineage? Who has the reputation for being the best?
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Wed, November 12, 2008 - 5:57 AMUm... That's a big can-o-worms.
Maybe you should start with talking about what you want to get out of your training and then people can make suggestions for what will -fit- =you= best. There are -=tons=- of world class aikido schools in the SF Bay Area. -
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Wed, November 12, 2008 - 7:17 AMI can't say which would be best for you but in terms of Lineage and my personal respect would be Bob nadeau, Shihan, 7th dan, direct student of O'Sensei. The only person who knows the best dojo for you is you. Go train at all of them and make an Informed Decision. -
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Wed, November 12, 2008 - 1:15 PMI would recommend checking out two dojos literally around the corner from each other:
City Aikido (referenced by Qatana) on Mission
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Suginami Aikikai on 11th Street
Flavor is a little different, lineage is very good on both; nothing like visiting and observing classes.
cityaikido.com/
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Wed, November 12, 2008 - 1:17 PMthanks Janet for finishing my post, I forgot to add the link. -
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Wed, November 12, 2008 - 1:20 PM<rei>
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Wed, November 12, 2008 - 11:49 PMI'm not quite sure what you mean by strong lineage, but I practice at Golden Gate Kokikai. If you've practiced other styles of aikido, Kokikai is on the more maverick (man do I wish that word hadn't been so terribly injured recently) or progressive range of the spectrum. We've got a good group who have practiced together for a while.
I recommendation is to stop by and try out a class or two.
www.goldengatekokikai.com/
If it's a factor, we practice in the central Y and as such, it's hard to find a better deal on the pocketbook. -
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Thu, November 13, 2008 - 6:07 PMRobert Choy is a great instructor I have know him for many years... if your in SF I would recommend him highly.
Peace
Tsubomi dojo Seattle
Brian
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Thu, November 13, 2008 - 4:43 PMNo offense, lineage means little. I've trained with some very good people who didn't have a "strong lineage" while others who had one, weren't very good or polite.
Remember you are looking for a school that works and works for you. You aren't try to put some one on a throne.
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Thu, November 13, 2008 - 6:33 PMInteresting question. -
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Fri, November 14, 2008 - 11:04 AMHow so? It seems to be one of the threee most asked questions in Aikido, if not in all martial arts
1-does it really work?
2-how long till a)my black belt or b)till I can make it work for real
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Fri, November 28, 2008 - 5:46 PMApologies:
I meant interesting questions
"Can anyone suggest a San Francisco Aikido Dojo with a strong lineage? Who has the reputation for being the best? "
A bit more specific than "where "should" I train
It's one of those questions that is complicated enough that ...
I'd say Hombu, just skip to the chase, ditch SF, and hit Tokyo, now that's a pretty good reputation as the best. -
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Sat, November 29, 2008 - 8:33 AMActually that is to simplistic, as the Japanese way of teaching martial arts isn't for everyone... some of us find it much more effective to give and receive feedback from everyone then to fumble around trying things we see. That fumbling around can easily lead to bad habits, poor understanding of what works and why it works - I've seen this in several dojo that emulate the Japanese "way."
A student must find a dojo that fits their needs and there is no one size fits all answer for that. -
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Sat, November 29, 2008 - 8:47 AMAnd "hombu" is a pretty ambiguous answer to a very specific question. There is a hombu dojo for each different style of aikido.It means "headquarters".There is an Aikikai hombu, an Iwama hombu, A Yoshinkan hombu, etc.
The question is still "Where should I train in San Francisco?".
And the answer is still, the one that Feels Best. -
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Sat, November 29, 2008 - 8:54 PMHaving trained in Iwama style, I hadn't ever heard of the Iwama dojo being referred to as 'Hombu'. Everyone I knew still thought of the Tokyo dojo as Hombu.
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Re: Looking for a Dojo in San Francisco
Sat, November 29, 2008 - 10:28 PMQatana is right in terms of each martial art and within each m.a. each style having its "hombu dojo." Yoshiikan, Ki Soc/ Shin Shin Toitsu, and various other offshoots have their own homes.
Vis a vis the Iwama specifically, IIRC from posts on aikiweb some yrs back (NOT from personal/primary knowledge) during a succession/political upheaval, there was a period when Iwama shifted a bit away from Tokyo but things have gotten friendlier again.
Ah, humans > organizations > politics... (sigh)
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"there was a period when Iwama shifted a bit away from Tokyo but things have gotten friendlier again. "
Sun, November 30, 2008 - 6:18 AMYes politics can be interesting.
The reason that things seem friendlier is because H. Saito sensei [inheritor of the Iwama lineage] is no longer teaching at the traditional Iwama dojo, as I understand it, for not being politic in a manner that Hombu approved. They then put their own teacher in. Which sort of reinforces the idea that the Tokyo dojo is in actuality the Hombu.
Personally, I would hope that the whole 'ai' aspect would keep the organization as one, but I also appreciate the movement specifics of 'Iwama' style. I personally prefer training over politics, but they seem to go hand in hand. -
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Re: "there was a period when Iwama shifted a bit away from Tokyo but things have gotten friendlier again. "
Sun, November 30, 2008 - 7:19 PMI believe there is room to respect and honor the different paths experienced teachers have taken without falling into playing "mine is better" - it has been one of the hallmarks of the cross-style seminars becoming more popular.
I've had individual classes and/or seminars with all the mainstream schools and some small offshoots, always felt very welcomed, always came away learning valuable stuff.
For one's regular own "home dojo" where the bulk of the training goes on, there is no substitute for observing a few classes before making a decision. And the "pedagogical styles" can be so different and appeal to different people - for instance the learner who does very well with structure and enjoys kata may prefer a Yoshinkan or similar style; under the Aikikai there is such variety of curriculum, teaching styles, etc - mostly with pretty freeform classes - that you can't even generalize. -
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Re: "there was a period when Iwama shifted a bit away from Tokyo but things have gotten friendlier again. "
Mon, December 15, 2008 - 1:14 AMThank you for all your input. Perhaps it would be good to be a little more specific. I spent a fare amount of time training in Shin Buddo Kai, started by Imazumi. He was in charge of the American Branch of Aikikai for a long time, and then split with them, I am told because he thought they were becoming corrupt, why.. I don't know. But what I do know is that what I belive a strong lineage of Aikido passes along is the hand to hand, the weapons, ki exercises, massage (kiatsu), meditation or ki breathing, and some emphasis on the life pricipaples of the art or Do. We are lucky that the founder lived not long ago, and many of the divisions are still strong, but some schools tend to ingnore aspects of the tradition that are not glamorous, like weapons ect. So based on that, what SF dojo would you recomend. -
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Re: "there was a period when Iwama shifted a bit away from Tokyo but things have gotten friendlier again. "
Mon, December 15, 2008 - 7:56 AMI recommend that you look at the phone book and go train at every dojo in SF till you find the one that works for you. -
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Re: "there was a period when Iwama shifted a bit away from Tokyo but things have gotten friendlier again. "
Mon, December 15, 2008 - 8:16 AMNotice the broken record theme here - "go look for yourself?" It really is the best advice. -
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"go look for yourself?" It really is the best advice.
Mon, December 15, 2008 - 8:39 AMI concur.......no wait -=my=- dojo is the best........ <wink>
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Re: "there was a period when Iwama shifted a bit away from Tokyo but things have gotten friendlier again. "
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:14 AMobviously I am looking myself, but as there are as many dojos here as there are grains of sand in the sea, looking for a teacher with some reputation can help get a person started with some precision, rather than shooting in the dark. -
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Re: "there was a period when Iwama shifted a bit away from Tokyo but things have gotten friendlier again. "
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:15 AMI googled "aikido san francisco" and got these dojo IN SF, but there are a bunch more around the bay area. This is a list of seven, not so many, look at there websites then go to the ones that look interesting to you.
www.sfaikidoproject.com/
www.pacificedgeaikido.com/
www.pacific-aikido.org/
www.aikidosf.com/
www.heartaikido.com/
www.cityaikido.com/ <- I've been there and they are good. You've had several other recommendations for them.
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Re: "there was a period when Iwama shifted a bit away from Tokyo but things have gotten friendlier again. "
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:26 AMI believe that nadeau Sensei is the only Direct student of OSesnei in the City of San Fransicso. -
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Re: "there was a period when Iwama shifted a bit away from Tokyo but things have gotten friendlier again. "
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 9:56 AMWell the first question was strong lineage, and the second was 'the best'. I think that strong lineage might be appropriate when one has choices that don't show much promise. Again, as dojos go, the quality in the Bay Area is so great that you will more often than not get incredibly good instruction. Much like picking a motorcycle, a large number of the bikes on the road are so good, that most riders will not use 100% of their speed, power and handling. Competition [in the indirect sense of the word] is of such high calibre here that it is likely that the skillset of the teacher will not be used to the fullest extent. Again, as much as this is not exactly what you asked, I really recommend that you go out there, try classes and see if the dojo culture and physical technique fits you best. -
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Re: "there was a period when Iwama shifted a bit away from Tokyo but things have gotten friendlier again. "
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 11:13 AManyone else enjoying the circular nature of this discussion? -
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Re: "there was a period when Iwama shifted a bit away from Tokyo but things have gotten friendlier again. "
Wed, December 31, 2008 - 2:00 PMYup, gottta love broken records. Though I'm starting to loose my aiki and am tempted to berate him for being lazy. -
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Re: "there was a period when Iwama shifted a bit away from Tokyo but things have gotten friendlier again. "
Tue, January 27, 2009 - 4:47 AMJust because I asked for a recomendation doesn't mean I am not already investigating all the dojo in SF. In fact many of the idot comments listed here show me what dojos to investigate last, and thus save me some time. -
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Is Ad Hominem Really Necessary?
Tue, January 27, 2009 - 6:20 AMCan't we all just talk about it without the name calling? -
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Re: Is Ad Hominem Really Necessary?
Tue, January 27, 2009 - 7:04 AMintresting ukemi....
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Re: "there was a period when Iwama shifted a bit away from Tokyo but things have gotten friendlier again. "
Tue, January 27, 2009 - 12:03 PMAs long as you are looking...
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