Hi All,
So I'm told that many aikidoka go through a period of low energy and enthusiasm during their training, finding it tough to muster the fire and intensity needed for serious training. For the sake of argument, let's call it 'burned out'. I find myself in such a state. My questions that I put out to all of you are:
1) Have many of you experienced this?
2) How did you snap out of it? By doing something in particular, or doing nothing at all?
I'm curious about other people's experiences...
regards
D-Y
So I'm told that many aikidoka go through a period of low energy and enthusiasm during their training, finding it tough to muster the fire and intensity needed for serious training. For the sake of argument, let's call it 'burned out'. I find myself in such a state. My questions that I put out to all of you are:
1) Have many of you experienced this?
2) How did you snap out of it? By doing something in particular, or doing nothing at all?
I'm curious about other people's experiences...
regards
D-Y
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Re: doldrums
Tue, January 23, 2007 - 7:47 AMI've been bummed before. I ended up 'taking a break' for about a two weeks, and quickly rediscovered why I love going to the dojo and training. Basically I go nuts if I don't train and get rid of excess energy and stress. I just wasn't built for sitting around doing silly junk all day.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
But watch out, 'breaks' have a tendency to turn into 'quits'.
Sometimes absence makes the heart go wander.
But face it, you like pain, struggle, and triumph. So you'll come back. Just keep in mind how lame you are for taking a break, and how you'll feel when you're too old to do Aikido, sitting there in the retirement home, wishing you had been more intense when you were younger, hoping some one will invent a time machine so you can go back, kick your younger self in the ass and say "SHOW YOUR ENERGY!!!!!!!!!". -
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Tue, January 23, 2007 - 7:59 AM"remind yourself how lame you are?"
Oh, that's a really good idea. Put yourself down for being human, while you're at it.
We all have slow spots. We all hit plateaus. It is as much a part of your training as taking your tests. Only You can know what you need from your training, and from taking a break, if you feel it nevessary.
Me, I try to keep going, no matter what.
There's an old saying in Ballet- Miss one class and your teacher will notice this in your technique, miss two classes and your classmates will notice, miss a week and the audience will notice.In my aikido training, this saying holds true!
In my dojo I notice it happens right after testing.In our last testing cycle,all but two of the kyu grades tested, so the energy got very,very intense and concentrated,for all of us. Maybe having tests right before Thanksgiving was the culprit, but attendence went way down from then untill about two weeks ago.And now I have to take two weeks away from the dojo...and I Don't want to take a break! -
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Tue, January 23, 2007 - 10:55 AMThanks, this is good, constructive perspective. I've suspected that plateaus are just something to slog through as best I can. I just wondered if someone had a better way or inspirational insight, or whatever...
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Re: doldrums
Tue, January 23, 2007 - 10:48 AM"keep in mind how lame you are for taking a break, "
[amused] well, that's refereshingly frank!
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Tue, January 23, 2007 - 3:53 PMI would say that it is, like most things, different for everyone. My work forces me to train sporadically (Sometimes I can do many times a week, sometimes none). I think that this helps keep from getting burned out on it. I find that I miss it when I don't go, for a variety of reasons.
I did take a long break, about 10 years (I try not to think about how far I would have come in that time if I had been training). During that time, it never really left my thoughts as I continually looked forward to when I would be able to start back. Of course, this particular break was more about life events than burn out, but I think the parallel holds. If you truly love doing it, you'll find your way back to it one way or another.
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Wed, January 24, 2007 - 7:34 PMone week a couple years ago I mentioned to one older guy (~30 years of training or so) that I was having one of those weeks where I didn't want to come and had no energy, and he said "Oh, I've had whole years like that."
it's a normal part of training, and I think training in anything, and yeah, you just slog through it. at some point a year or so ago, I wasn't feeling like I was doing techniques well, so I stopped trying so hard on techniques (since it seemed a lost cause for the moment) and worked on ukemi instead. so you can alter the focus of your training and see if that makes a difference.
nothing says you have to train *hard*, also, and there's a useful separation between the amount of force involved, and your level of intensity: one thing we work hard to teach beginners is that "intense" doesn't mean "fast". hopefully you have a dojo where you can train at a pace that works for you.
and finally, the slow spots are a time to think about whether you're really enjoying it, and whether it's something you want to continue doing. I know for me, I resist going to the dojo (even during the easy times of my training, because I'm lazy), and every time I go and have a wonderful time. and that's been consistent for over four years now.
you're not lame just for taking a break, but understand why you're taking it: if it's because you genuinely don't want to do aikido, or if you're just avoiding it because you feel your progress is slow and that's not as shiny and satisfying as it sometimes is. if the latter, think about why you're training, what you hope to gain from it, and what you might learn by continuing your training even in the absence of immediately perceptible progress. -
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Thu, January 25, 2007 - 8:01 AM"Oh, I've had whole years like that."
Oh! That's an interesting bit of perspective there.
It's strange, when I read "and finally, the slow spots are a time to think about whether you're really enjoying it, and whether it's something you want to continue doing.", I had almost a fear reaction at the thought of really examining that possibility. Why that reaction, I wonder? I guess that's a sign I need to examine that trigger. I'm pretty damn sure I want to continue, I still mentally strongly identify myself as aikidoka, but I have to honestly acknowledge that momentary clench in my stomach when I read the above.
"if the latter, think about why you're training, what you hope to gain from it, and what you might learn by continuing your training even in the absence of immediately perceptible progress" I think this is the tack I must follow, if I'm going to find my way through this in any sort of satisfying and constructive way. What do I gain, when I see no obvious progress? Different things on different day, I expect (or hope!). Those moments when everything flows like a river, no thoughts or hesitation, all grace and power- those moments feel like I've triumphed over some part of myself. Continuing without them is depressing as hell.
I do think one of the things I'm going to have to struggle with is what I percieve as my sensei's expectations. Although all (I have 4 senseis) say I have to do as I need to do, I can almost feel their dissapointment when I don't train as I used to, with that martial fire. I guess that will be on of my lessons in this.
This was very helpful, thank you
D-Y -
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Re: doldrums
Thu, January 25, 2007 - 8:28 AMI think there are 2 separate issues being talked about here...
1. is the normal training plateau. It is when you have achieved "my aikido sucks at a higher level" and then you stay at that level for months at a time. It feels like a time of no progress, or sometimes even things seem to regress. In truth, most teachers not just in m.a. now think this is a normal and necessary period during which experience accumulates that will eventually result in an "aha!" It can feel tedious or frustrating, but being willing to show up and train through it is part of the process going towards greater proficiency. Mastery cannot happen w/o it.
2. doubt about training. This is also normal. But I think that what can be VERY difficult for some of us is sorting out what is the difference between doubting if it is something I really want to keep doing versus some unexplored/unarticulated buttons are being pushed in training and it is so uncomfortable I'm not sure I want t keep doing this. It is helpful to sort this out so that if one DOES decide to stop training, it isknowing the difference between "nah, its not for me, at least not right now" and "there is something inside me and if I don't deal w/ it on the mat, it will simply manifest elsewhere later." a helpful distinction, neh?
On a personal level, I will say that at a dojo where I used to train many yrs ago, I had stomach clenching during bow in for a yr and damn well should have aknowledged it before being injured and eventually changing dojos.... -
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Fri, January 26, 2007 - 7:06 AM"It feels like a time of no progress, or sometimes even things seem to regress. In truth, most teachers not just in m.a. now think this is a normal and necessary period during which experience accumulates that will eventually result in an "aha!" "
Yeah, some of my mentors have said that this is the time when I assimilate what I've learned. [dryly amused] It's just tough to keep it in mind when I feel like I'm actually doing worse than I have in years, less "assimilating" and more "completely forgetting what I've learned". In my weak moments, I've wondered if it's actually counterproductive to be out there, plodding around the mat like something out of a zombie movie.
""there is something inside me and if I don't deal w/ it on the mat, it will simply manifest elsewhere later.""
Ahh, now this at least is something I have experienced, and kinda recognize when I'm going through it. I'm aware that I have more issues than National Geographic, and more pressable buttons than a scientific caculator. I've had to address some on the mat (grrr! anger issues! dominance issues!!), but you're right- I'm sure there still plenty to be dealt with. I frankly admit that this slump is likely colored by some reluctance to deal with something. [amused head shake] I've got a couple of ideas as to what, too...
Thanks again
D-Y
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Re: doldrums
Mon, January 29, 2007 - 10:20 AMIf someone never had a less than enthusiastic day towards whatever endeavor is important to them I would suspect liberal use of good drugs, and would be tempted to ask what they were.
Intensity and passion toward an activity are not always easy to maintain. For myself, when I feel less than enthusiastic about trainiong I just go anyways. I have a schedule of classes I attend, once per day Monday through Friday, and unless I have a physical ailment or a familial obligation, I show up. I don't indulge in the luxury of asking why I do Aikido very often. I just know it is good for me, and I keep showing up.
I have seen others take breaks, and that seems to work for them. It doesn't for me. I don't think I am ever going to get very good at Aikido, but I do know the only way I will get better is to train. -
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Mon, January 29, 2007 - 6:14 PMWell said, T-Bone.
I also find that things are better if when I make a plan to go to the dojo, I only accept very strong reasons not to go. 'Not feeling like it' doesn't count. Most days after work I don't 'feel like it'. I always feel worse after skipping anyway. And I always feel better if I go.
I think this is what is meant in the I-Ching when it says "It is benificial to set up a ruler."
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Tue, January 30, 2007 - 7:09 AM" I also find that things are better if when I make a plan to go to the dojo, I only accept very strong reasons not to go."
That seems like a good guideline.
[thoughtful] All in all, I've found the number of replies to this post to be sort of reassuring. It's nice to know that others have faced this sort of thing, it's just a matter of fact, a part of training, and not the end of the world or a premonition of my ultimate failure.
Thanks everyone.
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Re: doldrums
Sun, June 3, 2007 - 1:52 PMI think this is:
1) Very typical, I personally experienced it (and failed to follow the advice I'm about to give below - LAME!)
2) Chances are you sensei/sempai aren't going to push you (it's not like Tae Kwan Do where everyone will give you crap for not being on the mat) which leads to this:
My advice is to push through it and train anyway, even if you're not very happy with the quality of your energy/technique. I think "pushing through" this particular frustration, like many of the other frustrations of training, is part of it.